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| Route Planning - How to fly direct on your GPS. | |
Christian Smith   10th Dec 2010 14:21:22 | I think we can all thank Dave for a fantastic add on pilot assistant with the flight plan software.
Just to say, if you do not intend to actually fly the generated flight plan then do not add it to your plan. For this flight plan: "EGBB DTY A123 MID ASTRA", I cleared the pilot direct to Midhurst, The pilot did not understand this instruction, so I cleared the pilot to the "Mike, India, Delta VOR" ..agin no luck. From a controller point of view it is sometimes hard to determine who actually intends on flying the route they filed for, and should the airspace be busy enough, provides a headache! So, if you want to fly direct, rather than adding "EGKK LAM A123 DTY EGBB" Just add you want to go direct instead. The ICAO state that you are permitted to shorten this to 'DCT' as this is the code the ATC Software reads in the realworld. "EGKK DCT EGBB" -> This flight plan indicates to the controller you are going to depart and fly GPS Direct. Hope this makes sense and other controllers are experiencing the same problems. If any pilot needs any help with flight planning, I'd be happy to help, just post below! :) Clear Skies, Christian (RANK 5 ONLY) : Also, the software often calculates the shorest route. If you file for: "EGKK SID DTY etc etc" The controller cannot issue a SID as none exist. Filing "EGKK SID LAM A123 DTY etc etc" Means the controller is able to issue a Lambourne Standard departure. The flight plan software also generates the linking airway, if you do not wish to stick to the route, e.g. not flying via FMC then you can add the following where the airways would be: "EGKK SID LAM DCT TNT DCT WAL EGGP" for example. I hope no one thinks I'm being picky, I understand my rants often look HUGE. Its actually up to you if you even listen. :p Often when we get lots of new pilots, like at the minute, these things are orth just posting outto everyone. Regards, Christian |
| Christian Smith 10th Dec 2010 14:25:49 | Me and another controller recently spoke about the benefit of putting callsigns in flight plans too, again its up to you.
My calsign is RYR27A. Know what is means? Well you might from hearing me. None the less, at the end of my flight plan i write "//RYANAIR-2-7-ALPHA" Sometimes its just easier as FSX radar does not tell the controller the translation. |
Steff Missot 10th Dec 2010 14:30:16 | There is also a callsign box in flightstrip, if we split that up and under your original callsign yuo can put a text with your callsign which you can edit in the pilot assist? |
Dave Wave   10th Dec 2010 14:56:16 | As far as call signs go why not just use this?
http://www.fsopen.co.uk/downloads/callsigns/ |
| Christian Smith 10th Dec 2010 14:56:22 | Hmm well you can modify it on FSX so that long callsign shows when the contoer hits callsign but not all pilots have it set up.
Also Mick, is there away to enter callsign correctly on a flightplan in the format of: REG/G-BCRS RMK/N Maybe.. CSN/RYANAIR27ALPHA - Does that work? :p Maybe 694 will help me on this? Anything to avoid looking at the routing document!!! ;) |
| Mick McG 10th Dec 2010 21:32:29 | Hi Christian, I'm not sure what you mean here. Using Pilot Assistant in FSO I thought it picked up the callsign automatically from whatever you had entered in FSX. For example, I use VSB03 in FSX and in the PA flightplan remarks column I just put 'RMK/Voice callsign "VICKERS 03" ' after my route. Dave's link to the c/s config file helps as it includes the designator and r/t callsign together.
In real life, obviously the ac callsign is entered in Item 7 (Aircraft Identification) field on the FPL form (CA48/RAF F2919). It can be either the ac registration (eg GABCD, N123AB), or the ICAO designator for the ac operating agency followed by the flight identification (eg RYR27A, BAW278) or, if military, the c/s determined by the mil authorities (eg PIRATE, EXPORT). ITEM 18 on the form is for "Other Information" and will routinely include stuff like the EET/ (estimated elapsed time) for the each FIR boundary crossing if appropriate, REG/ the registration markings if different from the ac id entered in Item 7, OPR/ designates the operator if it's not obvious and RMK/ for any other plain language remarks. Is this what you meant? M |
| Christian Smith 12th Dec 2010 14:04:22 | Thats exactly what meant Mick! Thank you very much. One question. A flight plan is obviously usually recieved on the flight strips as RYR27A so in a flight plan would OPR/ RYANAIR be acceptable?
Daves fix does help this probably greatly, or even when people modify it to the airline they want to fly, just not everyone is doing it! So rather than searching airline ICAOs its just something easier if people arent going to do the airline.cfg thing :) Christian |
| Mick McG 12th Dec 2010 17:46:00 | Hi again mate,
"A flight plan is obviously usually recieved on the flight strips as RYR27A so in a flight plan would OPR/ RYANAIR be acceptable?" If you mean in real life, none of Item 18 gets as far as the Flight Progress Strip (FPS). You get to know what trigraph (3 letter designator) belongs to who, and if there's an unusual one in the mix there's usually a decode page either in a document close by or on whatever computer support equipment is in use. The "OPR/ " heading is used to denote who the operator is when it's not apparent from the ac identifier. RYR wouldn't routinely put OPR/RYANAIR in the flightplan because it's sort of obvious from the ac identifier. However, RAF transport use the r/t callsign "ASCOT" and the trigraph for that is "RRR". It's not obvious from that who the operator is so in Item 18 of the FPL it's common to see OPR/BRITMIL for these flights - particularly if the flight is subject to any diplomatic clearance. Hope this helps. M |
| Christian Smith 12th Dec 2010 18:54:02 | I refer to the flightstrips software on FSO. This wasn't clear I know :)
As you say theyre are some callsigns wich may look a little unusual- I suppose its up to pilots to make sure they have the airline.cfg downloaded really or the controller to have ATCA on standby! Cheers Mick! Christian |
| Christian Smith 14th Dec 2010 00:23:15 | Here is an example where adding your callsign proves very useful for the controller checking their flightstrips: Pilots you can see what the controller actually gets to see and how the callsign provided differs to that added to the flightplan:
If you need any help modifying callsigns then please ask a ATCO :) Christian PS Thank you to this pilot for viewing this post and modifying their flight plan, I'm sure you can see how easier it is for the controller! :) |
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