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Isak Kindgren   18th May 2011 05:10:27 | Hello guys,
I did a flight yesterday and I was flying from copenhagen to Arlanda! Copenhagen was fullt staffed so that's why I flew there. I flew according to my fpl in my FMC with VNAV and LNAV activated! I'm just wondering what to do when I reach T/D? should I request clearance for the descent! I was cruising at FL410 and my next waypoint was supposed, according to my FMC LEGS page which I had costumized before, to pass it at around FL300... can't remember right now. So what should I do? Regards Isak Kindgren Ps. I saw yesterday that when you export a flight plan from vroute and then load it with the FSX flight planner you dont get the correct waypoints of the route so I had to fill the route in manually on the qualitywings 757! Ds. |
Felix Stehle  18th May 2011 14:25:48 | Hi Isak,
ic annot help you with the ATC stuff. But I also have the QW 757 and importing flight plans works just fine. To be fair, I use FS commander 9. So basically all I do is make my FP in FSC9, save it apropriately in my FSX flight plans folder. Then open the Flight planner in FSX (ONCE IM IN THE GAME, on the gate; via Flights-Flight planner) click open, and when it askes if you want it to put your aircaft at desired location click no. Next open you FMC and go to the Menu/Index page and select "ATC route". It will look like nothing hapens but if you click on you LEGS and RTE pages you will see the programmed waypoints. I always double check my SIDs and STARs on DEPP/ARR page just to be on the safe side. sometimes it activates them sometimes it doesnt. Hope this helps. Let me know how you get on. Felix |
Steff Missot  18th May 2011 15:53:02 | If you want a decent you just say:
BAW: SpeedBird 2-7-A requesting descent to FL*** ATC: SpeedBird 2-7-A Descent FL*** You don't have to follow the FMC If you dont change the MCP altitude(in the box) your plane won't descent. ATC knows on which FL u need to be according to traffic sequence;) |
| Christian Smith 18th May 2011 18:22:38 | If you havent filed these intended Flight Levels into your flight plan then the controller doesnt know. By entering them into your plan the controller, where able, will inform you when to descend and cross fixes at the level indicated in your plan.
None the less, I guess where talking about VATEUD here? In which case, descend anyway, the controller doesnt even care. If you dont file your intended descents in you flight plan this is no real issue, but the approach controller will give you levels in accordance with local procedure- often these arent taken into account by virtual FMCs so dont presume that you SHOULD be at this level, but requesting a level is no really issue. So, in your case above, Pilot: "Zoom 114, Request descent flight level 300 level copenhagen." ATC: "Zoom 114, Descend flight level 300 level copenhagen." OR (Quite likely from VATEUD) ATC: "Zoom 114, Negative, Descend now flight level FL380." (BLAH N430F300 COP) In your flight plan would indicate this intent so you dont need to request, and should be taken into consideration. Certainly virtually, you can normal get a level above or below at the very least. Christian |
| Steff Missot 18th May 2011 18:42:28 | BLAH N430F300 COP
Does this means from 430 to 300? |
| Mick McG 18th May 2011 20:54:29 | Hi Steff,
Christian is referring to the speed and level entry in the flight plan. N0430F300 means 430kts and FL300. The route information in a r/w flight plan normally starts with the (requested cruising) speed and level in this format. Any change en route would be shown in the same way. For example; "N0420F300 DCS UN864 WAL UN862 DOBEM/N0420F380 LAMAT ...." would mean an initial cruising speed of 420kts climbing to FL300 routing to Deancross VOR, along the upper air route UN864 to Wallasey then along UN862 to DOBEM where a climb to FL380 is requested etc etc. You get my drift lol. Hope this long winded explanation to a simple question helps, cheers M |
| Isak Kindgren 19th May 2011 05:11:39 | i'm not sure what VATEUD is? Vatsim europe division? Anyway i was flying on vatsim, and when flying yesterday I think I'm startingnto get the hang of it! What you're saying, Christian and Mick, is that I should file the altitudes as well? Do I have to file speed? i mean I've already given my cruise speed! Yesterday I did like this, almost as steff said, : Sweden control, COA146 requesting descent FL035 level NORVI! |
| Steff Missot 19th May 2011 15:05:04 | If it's in your flightplan you can descent without calling anyone i think |
| Steff Missot 19th May 2011 15:06:41 | Or not, i dont know:P
and on your sentence: COA146 requesting descent FL035 level NORVI! In this case the transition altitude would be 3500 or below which is very unlikely i think:P |
| Christian Smith 19th May 2011 16:16:41 | Hi Isak.
This intent is indicated in realworld flight plans, but also appears in the occassional virtual one too. The best place to put them is at the start, and one or two towards the end. So firstly remember I'm a virtual man- so all of this stuff will get you by fine on VATSIM and stuff, but I must bow down to Mick as he often provides examples I cant! I'm sure people get confused by what is such an easy thing so I'll give examples: RYR27A, B738, Flying IFR From Edinburgh to Leeds Bradford: EGPH N380F130 DCS N615 CALDA DCT N250F060 POL DCT LBA EGNM What you should note is the intention to climb to 130 for Deans Cross (DCS) and the pilot intends to be at true air speed 380kts at this point. So Polehill (POL) is therefore 250kts at FL060. Though it may not be granted the controller aims to provide So Altitudes then: As long as your happy and know the difference between height, altitude and FL: G-RS, Cessna 172, Flying IFR from Humberside to Leeds Bradford: (Notice the 'A' for Altitude replacing the 'F' for Flight Level) EGNJ DCT N140A040 GOLES Y70 BATLI DCT N140A040 LBA EGNM //RQST/SSNO //RQST/LBA NDB APP In this case, the normal flight plan is modified with the pilots intentions and requests which are: The pilot intends to be at 140kts, Altitude 4000ft, at both GOLES and LBA NDB. RQST SSNO: The pilot requests no SIDs or STARs RQST LBA NDB APP: The pilot requests approach from Leeds Bradford NDB. :) |
| Christian Smith 19th May 2011 16:19:46 | My only assumption is that this stops any unnecessary communication between pilot and ATC. I imagine they'd otherwise respond to lots of requests for descent/climb all day long. |
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