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What is the outlook for RealFSX.org ?
Robert Dunn
United States
15th Jul 2013
20:39:47
RealFSX.org community seems to have suspended their various resources. Would any of you pilots have any first or second hand knowledge on what the current status and outlook is for our brother FSX multi community? We send our respects to that community of pilots and are curious and concerned.

Respects, Bob...
RSDunn2@msflights.net
David Bartlam
United Kingdom

15th Jul 2013
21:17:14
Bob,

The RUMOURS I have heard was that they had a few disgruntled members who kicked up a bit of a fuss about something and then attacked there servers. I've heard this off three individuals so I'm guessing I'm kinda on the right track.

Firstly. I think people seriously need to get a grip. FSX is VIRTUAL platform. If people are getting like that, they really need to put there peripherals down and take a walk outside for a while to realise that there is life offline.

Secondly, I think it's a huge shame. RealFSX are a highly reputable server and the news had come as a shock. I hope the server owner manages to secure his software and gets the community back online soon.

Robert Dunn
United States
15th Jul 2013
22:59:23
Thank you, Mr. Bartlam. In a brief visit with an (former?) admin of RealFSX.org on our TeamSpeak yesterday, I heard portions of what you have just shared with us. I agree emphatically with your first and second points that you presented.

In the past, we have offered our plentiful FSX host capacity to groups of pilots somehow temporarily without a place to multiplayer fly. It is common on our FSX host for groups to fly anonymously, not communicating on our TeamSpeak but either using FSX briefing room chat or some other voice platform. We disable our in-game voice on our FSX host for various valid reasons, you see. We offer such a place to fly to those who comprise RealFSX community without need of further permissions nor any restrictions until some other FSX host resource becomes available to them. I would love to hear in this forum or elsewhere from anyone from RealFSX who has a forecast of that community's intentions and current needs.

Respects, Bob...
RSDunn2@msflights.net
David Figge
United States

16th Jul 2013
12:15:53
To all concerned,

I've hosted RealFsx for several years. Trying to have a big organization or to be "top-of-the-list was never a goal - only to have quality sessions. To be honest it was more enjoyable when only 10 or so participated.

The last few months we experienced a group of juveniles that had nothing better to do than cause problems for others and google how to find loopholes in TS3 servers. These events have changed the way I look at FSX mutiplayer and the motivation to host FSX mutiplayer has ended. Flying is what I've always enjoyed not trying to be an IT specialist closing loopholes in poorly written software (FSX & TS3). Not to give the juvenile group any credit because they are not that smart - just angry! At what I'm not quite sure of. Hope you guys can come up with better ways of handling attacks from lonely people that need a LIFE.

Part of the management staff is making an effort to keep a session going. I will provide help for the team until they are established.

Many thanks to Dave for the FSOpen software and tools. It was a big help.

Best regards,
David Figge
David Bartlam
United Kingdom

16th Jul 2013
12:34:12
David,

Top of the list will never happen. Europe have had that spot cemented for many months without even budging, yet there is very, very little advertising of the FSOpen brand on their website. How do they manage it? Your guess is as good as mine.

Real FSX are/were a very reputable platform it it is sad that its had to end this way, especially with the immaturity of the juveniles, who so very clearly need to get a life.

I've only been hosting FSXWorldwide for a month and I occasionally find it more hassle than it is worth, the only thing that keeps it open is the fact I have people that depend on it, otherwise I'd close the lot down.

That said, you will have a lot of traffic to divert elsewhere. If required, you're members are more than welcome to use he FSXWorldwide server and/or Teamspeak until a new platform has been set up. I do hope to see the RealFSX brand again soon
Johnny Mckenzie
United States

16th Jul 2013
17:40:36
Hello all,

The administration team of the RealFsx server (Myself, David and Ryan F) have put many hours of work and effort into making the server such a great place for all of the pilots and Air Traffic Controllers who participated day to day.

It is very upsetting to all of us to see the host of our server struggle so much and to become tired of running the server because of the juveniles who took advantage of it.

That being the case, I could not stand to see the beloved server to be shut down so easily because of some idiotic children who have nothing to do with their time. Myself as well as Ryan Foss have agreed to work together to host the RealFsx server with the help of our former host, David Figge.

Talk to you all soon,
Johnny
Robert Dunn
United States
17th Jul 2013
08:22:59
Many here who are attentive to the wider FSX multi world admire the lot of you here. My personal respect is for why you do what you do and the kind of people you do it for. Mr. Bartlam's post of 16 July hits close to home for me, particularly his third paragraph regarding motivation. It's good to read his offer of resources in assistance. I sympathize, Mr. Figge. I'm sure your pilots appreciate the help you indicate you give to those who will keep the good name of RealFSX current and vibrant. I reaffirm Johnny, David, Ryan, that like FSXWorldwide, we offer any assistance you may require in your transition period. You people do good works, you know...

Respects, Bob...
RSDunn2@msflights.net
Simon Mulder
United States

17th Jul 2013
22:24:12
I could always fire up one of my computers to run a Server for you guys till you have one for good... But as Robert Dunn said, " I reaffirm Johnny, David, Ryan, that like FSXWorldwide, we offer any assistance you may require in your transition period." Thanks.

Respects, Mulder. (msFlights.net)
Hal Roach
Canada

7th Aug 2013
02:24:14
As a former admin and manager at realfsx, I personally disagree with closing the server due to the attacks. I was working a solution, but I can understand where some would just give up and call it a day, its no fun spending all day trying to thwart assholes. I did however express interest in mergeing the server with another extremely reputable group but it seems as if that idea was not liked by my former partners. Regardless it is a shame, but I do feel like realfsx needs some more aggressive management, no offence to johnny or Ryan(good guys).
Johnny Mckenzie
United States

7th Aug 2013
02:49:15
Some good news on our end, the management group was deleted altogether, David has offered to host the server again. Ryan David and I are the 3 primary admins.

None other at all.

Sincerely,
Johnny
Borair Kasim
United Kingdom
7th Aug 2013
03:22:10
I just wanted to say that Realfsx.org means a lot to me, somebody in the server helped me figure out how to fly a plane and land it through FSX. I am very grateful, and this server is for people who want to help others whilst enjoying their virtual sim. People who want to kill that experience are welcome to shut down their computers and take a chill pill.
Steff Missot
Netherlands

8th Aug 2013
21:03:47
I have a TS3/mysql/apache server standing by for anyone that wants it, I'm not using much of my resources
Samuel Saminston
United States

4th May 2014
17:13:04
Hello,
Since the past few months, RealFsx has improved greatly. I, myself am an ATC on this server. The management has fixed it and I believe this server wil continue as a quality server.
Robert Cohen
Canada

5th May 2014
05:29:09

Top of the list will never happen. Europe have had that spot cemented for many months without even budging, yet there is very, very little advertising of the FSOpen brand on their website.

How do they manage it? Your guess is as good as mine.

Quote by David

I cant agree with you more
"How do they manage it? Your guess is as good as mine."

the only time a server gets to the top if they reset there server or its down


that's my 2 cents

Robert ceo/EasternHops

Tim Walters
United Kingdom

6th May 2014
11:26:16
Guys

Putting the FSOpen map and Flight Plans list ON your website does not help your cause. You need to give your users a reason to click through to Dave. You are shooting yourselves in the foot!

Tim Walters
FSXEU.COM Management
Matthew Myatt
United Kingdom

17th May 2014
00:14:26
I know how they are doing it . I figured it out and proved that what they are doing works. Sometimes it's not what's on show on their website, but more what's not on show that makes all the difference.
Dave Wave
United Kingdom

17th May 2014
00:26:40
If you find anybody abusing links let me know and I'll stick them on the bottom for a few months.
David Bartlam
United Kingdom

17th May 2014
12:09:06
Does it not ring alarm bells with you Dave? Why don't we all prove a point and have a set time where we all advertise a link with our host ID in it, get everyone in our sessions to click it and advertise it on our social networks. For one time only we abuse the link just to prove a point. I've done this before to prove a point, we got to second and then still never moved. That was with over 30 people in our Teamspeak and the people on the Facebook clicking at the same time. I've been saying something dodgy has been going on for months and months but always get the same answer from the reps over there. Since then, I've given up deliberately linking to the FSOpen page with our host id. It will never change in my opinion
Kenneth Brander
Norway

17th May 2014
15:07:12
Hey guys,

I would recommend rather then spending your time whining and analysing other communities that you focus on building your own community into a great competitor on this network. Analyse yourself, improve your community by working hard. By doing this, the rating will go up by itself as a bonus. We would be satisfied with being on the top ten and all others should be to. I honestly doesn't see why its important to be #1 and that attitude tells me allot why you are failing and feel you fail.

We do not get more traffic because we are #1 on the list good people, we get it because we have put our back into building our community into what it is today. We have really worked hard for this. No, we don't cheat the system but we understand how to use it to our advantage and there is nothing wrong with that. By using the system correctly we do the entire network a favour. You should to, but that is something many of you fail doing in my opinion. We need more good diplomats for this network. Advertising is just half the battle, you need to be able maintain a great community that attracts people as well. This should be your first step to in gaining new ground rather then focusing on your rank.

We are not here for the ranking, we are here to enjoy aviation and spend time with people who enjoy it as much as we do. Instead of finding everything and everyone else to blame, blame yourself and work harder building a great aviation community. Help build this network and widen its footprint and visibility on the internet.

Be grateful, that we have this network and that Dave has put the amount of work into this that he's done. Do not blame him for your shortcomings and mistakes, blame yourself. He has given us a great opportunity with this network and we should all show our gratitude advertising the list and fsopen in general. We are ALL served by he's approach to get higher ranking as it widens this networks footprint on the internet. The more visible we are on the internet the more users find their way here. If you understand how internet marketing works, you will also see that this approach is really smart and the best way to do this.

I for one would like to thank Dave for he's work and encourage him to keep it up. I can totally relate to it being hard to maintain the motivation when people are complaining over the smallest of issues and are not grateful at all. Many of us wouldn't be here if it was not for him and what he has done for us.

Thank you Dave, for creating fsopen.co.uk and thank you for developing it further for us all.

-

David B;

I thought you guys were going to move to another network, at least that is the impression I got reading another thread here if I recollect correctly, I may be wrong.


Also I noticed that you are promoting your unique link ID on the frontpage of your community website, three places actually. Still you are writing;

"Since then, I've given up deliberately linking to the FSOpen page"


*scratches head*

Are you sure? I`m not going to spend allot of time digging around in your website but it seems you haven't stopped promoting your unique link ID at all as you are portraying in your latest post. Can you actually remove your unique links and see what happens? I am honestly curious how that works out for you sir and that would prove your point if there is anything to your theory and assumptions.




Best Regards;

Kenneth Brander
kenneth@fsxeu.com
http://www.fsxeu.com
David Bartlam
United Kingdom

17th May 2014
17:30:56
You are correct, we were going to close our server down. My work in the military means that I can not dedicate the time to the server. I got a big backlash from our members who were very adamant that we keep the server going. Since then, They have all worked hard to keep the server going, and for that, I commend them.

As for the advertising, We have placed 3 links on our website, you are quite right. But, the difference being that I do not readily ask people to click on the link nor direct them to it.

It goes without saying that we are extremely thankful to Dave for the service he provides, that is why we all pay a monthly fee to use it. If it weren't for his service, we'd all be on VATSIM. My session is here for people to come in and learn the necessities they need before making the step up to VATSIM. We could never go close to matching that network and we wholly encourage people to use it. So please don't make it out that FSOpen is the only thing out there for FSX Multiplayer.

As quite a few people have noticed, you do not have much advertising on your website for Dave's website. A link here and there. So that's why people like myself and the other server owners wonder how you have never budged, yet we all move about. That shows to me one thing. Manipulation. I don't know how you do it but it's very obvious there is an abuse of the system. People will always talk and wonder as to how you do it.

I personally couldn't care less where we are. We link to Dave purely because we owe it to him for the service, not because we need to. We pay for a service and that's that. But, I'm always willing to agree and have an input when other people think and feel exactly the same as I do about this situation.
Kenneth Brander
Norway

17th May 2014
21:08:48
Hey David B;

We do advertise more then you assume, we do not need to fill our website with the link to achieve numbers. We do not need to spam the link, abuse it or commend our community to use it. All our links are placed using psychology and marketing strategics.

You need to look for answers elsewhere then this being some sort of plot against you, the other servers and that we get special treatment or any other far fetched assumption is not true. The answer is way more complex then that and has nothing to do with your assumptions. I can give you some clues without giving away to many of our secrets since you have turned a blind eye to any other option then what is the fact here.

Our internet marketing strategy, is far better then any of yours simply because we know how to market ourselves on the internet. The majority of traffic coming into our websites are hit from the internet, not the FSOpen network. We bring in more unique IP addresses then the rest of you. We have more stable and regular numbers then the most of you and this has -many- reasons.

It is a reasonable assumption that we have higher browsing rate then you and that our users find our website useful filled with tools and allot of neat things for them that the majority of you have not been able to present, been able to create or even think of. It`s more likely we have a higher rate of people -staying- to browse our site, not just dropping by looking at the frontpage and leaving again. This is something we have worked hard for and strategic according to internet marketing basics. Our unique link ID is not just placed on the front-page. We do changes according to statistic on our website like one should do, not just gut-feeling. Do not judge a book by its cover as it may be more to it then you are able to understand looking at it from the outside.

The quality of our users which are way different then we see on other servers. Even if another server has higher numbers flying and using the server itself doesn't mean they have allot of people browsing the website. Many are here just to fly in multi-player and get their kick out of just seeing others, following others in multi-player, no communication or interaction otherwise. It beats me why this is their need and why they act like it. Our concept is built up on the direct opposite side of this and we do not value users like it, we throw them out if they fail to practice this by our rules. We have reserved our systems for those who do use our website, who do take interest in our concept and use it as we intended, as the others users do. We have also build up quite allot of regulars and a quite large user-base.

I am sorry to disappoint you but there is no need for us to use the strategies you are implying we are using. I do not see why we should get a special treatment and there is no proof of this. I would be quite happy if you stop implying we abuse the system and try your best to smear our reputation because of incredible vague speculations and very unreasonable assumptions which again is based on figments of your imagination. If you have some sort of evidence I would be quite willing to look at it, but the fact is that you don't have such a thing because there aren't any, that is easy to explain because we do not abuse the system. Assumptions are not evidence that we are doing something wrong and you should definitively stop beating that dead horse as its not getting you anywhere good. You are tormenting yourself chasing a theory that doesn't exist.



I have some advises that is given with best intention, with all due respect and as friendly as the circumstances allow me. I am sure you can find something negative and unreasonable about that to strike down and will probably try picking it apart rather then just take the advise, but here we go;


If you find it hard to make your community visible on the FSOpen network and struggle to succeed in creating a good community here, then VATSIM is not the place for you and your community. It will become even more invisible, small and insignificant there, ergo you will have to work even harder to be seen. VATSIM is no place for a community, it IS a community and they don't need your personal twist on it. They have their policies and politicians, events and everything else one should need. You need to work hard and BE significant. Which is NO different from what we are doing here, if you fail at it here, I am sure you will fail there. If that is your plan to save your community and make it bigger you should really do your homework first. That VATSIM is that much better is a unreasonable assumption something I found out after doing my homework, there quite many who tries to glorify it. VATSIM struggle with the same things we do here and I can assure you, its the same shit, different wrapping. Things are not always greener on the other side of the fence, even if it may look like it at first glimpse. But none can stop you from assuming it. Nevertheless, like a gentleman I will wish you the best of luck. As a competitor I hope it will be more worthy people to compete against in the future, its nothing wrong with some competition to keep you sharp and on the toes. Without it we wouldn't have the same stimulation to keep pushing, keep improving and working hard.



To those starting this thread and the original subject, I am sorry to have been part of hi-jacking this thread but I feel it was justified to defend our reputation against these false accusations, once again. It seems to be popping up more often then I would like to, for some reason usually always initiated by Mr. Bartlam. I hope you can all understand our part in this and why I choose to speak up. I hope this is the last time I will feel and see the need for doing it in such cases. I am sure and also hope we can use this forum for better things, so this will be my final word on it on behalf of our community.





Best Regards;

Kenneth Brander
kenneth@fsxeu.com
http://www.fsxeu.com
David Bartlam
United Kingdom

17th May 2014
21:56:31
I got bored of that after 5 lines so gave up in the end...

Unfortunately for you, I have a voice, an opinion and am by no means afraid nor disinclined to voice that opinion.

I'm not going to comment further and be dragged Into a pathetic argument on a public forum. I believe, like others that their is foul play on your part and that you are manipulating a system which is used correctly by the rest of the FSOpen community.

Dave, please feel free to remove my comments across this post. This post should have remained on topic but myself and others have drifted off., And therefore took the limelight away from the original posters opinion, and for that, I apologise.
Tim Walters
United Kingdom

17th May 2014
22:12:11
So as not to bore you David, I'll keep this short:
You are entitled to your opinion sir, but unfounded accusations without proof is going a little too far.
Tim Walters
FSXEU.COM Management - tim@fsxeu.com
There, I managed it in under 5 lines... (Just)
Chris Pringle
United Kingdom

17th May 2014
22:19:14
Honestly i think the fact that Europe is up at the top is not foul play and i do agree in the way they market themselves. Being a ex member i found the website to be eye catching and well layed out. They include free downloads courtesy of a couple admins. There main flow of traffic is the members on that server that control. I don't know about you but i prefer flying with atc either in a group flight or not, it adds realism. With Europe there is a constant flow of people controlling and they control everywhere in the world which is also great because to me it gets boring if its always the same country. I also find it to be a big multicultural group. Whereas in real fsx there will be a majority of Americans or on your server David majority are Brits. This makes the banter/chat ever so better. I am not disagreeing with anyone's server here and i do apologize if i am coming across that way i am only just voicing my opinion.

Regards
Chris
David Bartlam
United Kingdom

17th May 2014
22:44:04
I agree Chris. We are a simple community. That's it. I

I am lucky enough with my job to be in a position where I can pass on my aviation experience to this around me. We are incredibly lucky to also have a newly appointed real world airline pilot aswell as many PPL holders and a real world flying instructor within our ranks. I don't care about advertising, I do not care about or position on the FSOpen session list. All I care about is the fact we can offer a service that not many others can. For anyone that has studied for the PPL, they know it is not cheap. If my community can save those people a few quid by offering them theoretical lessons, then it makes my time as a server host worth while. Although our server is not always busy, our Teamspeak is. Our main priority is training, not virtual flying. That's my aim, to give people a chance to save some cash by simply teaching them the basics of radio techniques, navigation, meteorology and all that good stuff.

We are a small community that has a small member base specifically based around training. We have been unusually quiet on the server tonight because we have had a PPL Radiotelephony lesson in our Teamspeak. That's what we offer, we have a wide range of PPL students that come to us for the theoretical side of flying, rather than the virtual side.

I believe a new system needs to be put in place. One that is fair to each and every community that can't be manipulated. Put us at the bottom, I do not care, I would just like to see some fairness for those communities that have been here for a long while, who also pay their £8 a month subscription fee. I'm not sure what the system would be like, but there must be a fairer way that a unique ID.

As I have always stated, this is simply my opinion. Others will have different views, I respect those views and once again, everyone is entitled to share their opinion.

I think this will continue to just go round in a round-about fashion if we continue to reply :/



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