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Phil Arkwright  30th Apr 2010 00:33:33 | I'm not going into detail or saying anything but I just want to remind EVERYONE that fsopen is a place with people at all different abilities. When controllers and pilots get impatiet and start taking it too seriously then it doesn't become fun anymore. I'm not saying it can't be serious just not to the point where an argument starts as there have been a few occasions. So remember were all one happy family. :) |
Christian Smith   30th Apr 2010 01:06:39 | Hmmmmm..... Sounds intresting. Are you referring more so to ATCs being impatient?
I hope to think that I personally adjust my ATC to pilots of all levels, and absoultely agree that taking it to far makes it all to serious! Flying on FSOpen should defintely be fun! Why not chat to the controller and talk about what your issues were :) Perhaps they didnt even realise. It can often be a case of inexperience when ATCs get 'stressed' and impatient with aircraft! I know I did when I first started. They just might be new to ATC :) Clear skies and happy landings, Christian |
| Richard Stuchfield 30th Apr 2010 12:08:49 | I hear what you're saying Phil and I don't know what situations you are talking about in particular but if it relates to ATCOs being impatient, I do find it frustrating when people don't monitor their radios or don't listen to instructions. There are other people trying to enjoy the session too and if you have to keep telling someone to do something or correct their actions all the time it takes up considerable time on the radio when others are trying to communicate too.
I tend to take it pretty seriously and I know other aren't so bothered - but if you're going to join a session where ATC is provided, then it's a requirement to follow ATC instructions - otherwise, you may as well go and fly in 'free flight' ATCOs should (and I think in general do) understand that there are different levels of ability but that listening to instructions and monitoring the frequency aren't below anyones abilities. ATCOs should remember to give instructions in as clear and concise manner as possible to avoid confusion. Like I said, I'm not sure what you're referring to so don't know if this response is relevant to your experiences or not. If you've had problems with ATC, then as head of ATC, I'l like you to let me know what's been happening as there may be a training issue that can be addressed. Anyone can contact me about ATC issues on atc@fsopen.co.uk Richard |
| Phil Arkwright 30th Apr 2010 14:31:58 | yes, as I said I'm not going into detail, but just to make It clear,
I good ATCO is someone is talks clearly with most infomation and least talking Its not a race to see who can speak the fastest. Another point for you richard is that some ATCO are using other software than the ATIS in Fsx, and when the pilot is told to taxi to the active, the ATCO goes you went to the wrong runway, the ATIS on Fsx isn't accurate. I know we want to make it realist but if we can stick to thr FSX ATIS that would be helpfull. This is only one of many things which start arguments, I was not invovled in I just overheard in TS |
| Christian Smith 30th Apr 2010 15:49:10 | Dont suppose anyone should just be told to "taxi to the active" withou instructions anyway, and i dont know what other controls but I advise pilots which runway to expect during clearance + taxi instructions = no excuse for going wrong :p
In terms of the ATIS, some ATC use ATCA, myself included, this is always valid and in line with FSOpen weather apart from Thursday (bad weather), Friday (Clear skies) and Sunday (Clear skies). The rest of the time its set to real world, which is also what ATCA is set too! Basically ATC should know this and only use ATCA for squawk codes on the nights stated! Christian |
| Phil Arkwright 30th Apr 2010 16:39:25 | Thanks christian for clearing this up, well last night a number of ATCO were using it, And so if all can be reminded not to use ATCA on a thursday or any other day which is differemt to Fsx. |
| Christian Smith 30th Apr 2010 16:42:20 | Ok, This is obviously just some ATCs forgettting, I'll put a reminder onto the forum!
Christian |
James Monckton  30th Apr 2010 19:39:08 | As you say even the FSX ATIS can pick the wrong runways, when winds are calm its logic in selecting active runways is terrible, so just because ATIS says that is the active runway does not mean the controller will use that runway, if your unsure ask the tower controller as they will have selected the runway in use.
James |
| Phil Arkwright 30th Apr 2010 20:11:35 | Im not saying the ATIS in FSX is wrong at all, Its perfectly, fine, ATIS basicly reads the winds, and changes runways so the planes takeoff and land in the wind. The is no error in FSX. |
| Richard Stuchfield 1st May 2010 09:40:23 | ATC should be giving the runway in use as part of the taxi clearance (if the pilot hasn't asked beforehand). Even if they forget, they should be giving the holding point which shoulg be giving a BIG clue as to the runway in use.
If a pilot is unsure whether the instructions require a left or right turn, then they should ask the controller rather than taxi 'blind'. The aerodrome charts from the NATS website can be a great help though. ATCA is widely used because of the extra useful information that it provides a controller and sometimes the runway selection will be different to that of the FSX ATIS. An example is that at Birmingham (EGBB) as long as the winds are not more than 5knts, the runway in use will always be 33 regardless of direction. This is something that FSX doesn't calculate correctly but in real life, I think it's got something to do with the gradient of the runway which makes 33 the best selection. With regards to the use of ATCA. It should be noted that when the server ISN'T set to real world weather, controllers should be using the winds indicated in FSX to give to pilots and to select runways. Richard |
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