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Richard Stuchfield  10th May 2010 12:43:28 | As promised - although a little later than I hoped. Here is the clarification of how I'd like us to handle SIDs and STARs in our FSOpen sessions.
I've tried to keep it simple so that the rules aren't complicated and difficult to remember. SIDs SIDs will be assigned by the (normally) ground controller when you receive your IFR clearance. SIDs in your flightplan will be ignored. The only exception I can think of to this is if the pilot wants some specific SID practice. By that I mean is JUST flying SIDs. ie. not when they file to another airport as part of a normal flight. If you want specific SID training, please indicate this on the flight plan and as long as it coincides with the active runway, ATC will try and accomodate your request. STARs STARs are allocated by an en-route controller and as such will not be given unless there is ATC for London/Manchester/Scottish 'Control'. By all means, pilots can fly a STAR up to the point that they contact a controller (Radar or Tower) but be prepared to be vectored off the STAR once contact has been made. STARs on flightplans will be ignored and allocated according to the traffic load of the en-route controller at the time. If you want to fly a STAR when an en-route controller is available, make them aware that you are able to accept a STAR routing (if you have 5 stripes, that is one of the criteria anyway) on initial contact. Hope this helps and isn't too complicated. Richard |
Christian Smith   10th May 2010 15:58:50 | Hi Richard, Just to further clarify, in the event of no enroute controller online, pilots will self allocate a STAR in line with current weather and therefore active runway but again will expect vectoring from it.
Christian |
| Richard Stuchfield 10th May 2010 16:48:11 | correct Christian. When not under any control service, they are free to route any way they want to (including flying STARs). They should be willing and able to accept any instructions from ATC once they've made contact though |
Stephen Dubbie 10th May 2010 18:25:02 | Hi Richard, Just to further clarify,
in my opinion, i think that pilots should request a SID in their flight plan, As if an atc were to give all pilots a SID, some pilots might get confused with the instruction and instead of flying the SID will just fly anywere and make more work for the ATC, or to simplify it, only sids to rank 4/5 Pilots, like i said that is just my opinion thanks Stephen |
| Christian Smith 10th May 2010 18:32:42 | *Stephen
SIDs are optional. So pilots on IFR who 'dont get' SIDs, just ask for a Non-Standard Departure instead :) Which is upto *** Altitude runway heading. In terms of why ATC allocate them- its to fit the current needs of radar. Christian |
| Christian Smith 10th May 2010 18:36:47 | *If you dont want a SID put it in the flight plan or on clearance
Like EGKK NOSID LAM EGSS Or BAW289, Request IFR Clearance to Stansted as filed via a non-standard departure. |
| Stephen Dubbie 10th May 2010 18:42:51 | Hey christian,
i understand what you are saying, but my view is on a busy day, ATC:, BVA123 you are Blah Blah Blah VIA LIFFY 2A Departure Blah Pilot, tower BVA123 is unable to do a SID BLAH,, request a non-standared departure ATC: reply Pilot:Readback where in my view, if pilots request a SID, then ATC:, BVA123 you are Blah Blah Blah VIA LIFFY 2A Departure Blah Pilot: readback, which is a whole lot shorter and less work for atc, so if pilots just request a SID, they will be givin 1, and if not, then not Stephen |
James Monckton  10th May 2010 19:00:33 | Its better if you just put the routing in your flight-plan, If I'm not going to perform a SID then I will put NSD in brackets after my routing, I understand this as a controller and have had no problems.
As Christian says, we will never assume so just ask. |
| Richard Stuchfield 10th May 2010 20:20:35 | Stephen.
If you want to put something in your flight plan that indicates you wish to be allocated a SID, then that's fine. But don't put an actual SID designator in there - it's not up to a pilot to be telling ATC what SID to allocate for the departure - it's an ATC decision. If you have 5 stripes then you should be able to accept a SID - especially for a UK airport as all of the charts are available for free online. Fot anyone with less than 5 stripes, ATC shouldn't expect that you can accept a SID departure (although I know that some people can). Richard |
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